FTX, SBF… Is Crypto Doomed? Tony Saliba & Jeffry Turnmire Share Exclusive Insights. (Next Steps Are Key) — December 16, 2022
Liquid Mercury’s CEO, Tony Saliba, and Jeffry Turnmire share exclusive insights on what is going on with Bitcoin and the crypto market:
There’s a four year cycle in Cryptos you must see now! Plus, crowd favorite Tony Saliba and Jeffry Turnmire fill us in on what’s going on in the chaotic land of Bitcoin and other Cryptos.
And don’t miss Roger Scott’s warning: “This market is doing it’s best to trick the bears into thinking the bulls are in charge”
On this week’s show: Tony Saliba, Jeffry Turnmire and Roger Scott.
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JT: Doing good, doing good.
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Celeste Lindman: hey? Well, great, we got the recording going. So this is this is fantastic.
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Celeste Lindman: you know. I’m excited that all of you are here today, because, as I keep saying, I know it sound like a broken record, but it’s going to be heavy on content. And while you know your brain’s going to be full. But hey, guess what you’ll be able to digest it piece by piece, and just let you know up front. Hey? This is recorded. So if you don’t get all of the details, no worries, you can go to the website. It’s atp traders.com, and get not only today’s recording, but a lot of really great great recordings. So all right. Yes, it is good to see Tony again, Mark, you are exactly
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Celeste Lindman: exactly right, so you know. How is your way? Oh, we’ve got some. We got some Christmas hats on. Thank you. Jeffrey listened. He was listening. I I I haven’t seen Roger yet? Is he going to show up with a
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Tony Saliba: He’s he’s got a head on? I got a head on. I’m sitting right here. Hey, love it good to see you, Man Haven’t seen you in a long time. I know I’ve been busy. Hi! How are you doing? I’m doing great. I’m doing great. You and I really do need to catch up.
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Tony Saliba: We do. I guess I should come down there and see you. It’s a little little nicer right now. We’re getting lots of snow.
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Celeste Lindman: Yeah. Well, it’s been some time right here right now. This is going to be fantastic, you know it’s it’s it’s volatile out there right
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Celeste Lindman: all over the world, in the markets everywhere. But you know what don’t be afraid. Do not be afraid. Embrace it, don’t, be discouraged. Have courage, because we know that you can do this, and we want to help you do that because we know all about all this risk that’s in the market. We we’ve been around for a good long time and traded a lot of different types of markets, but it’s important for you to understand whatever you are trading before you ever click that mouse, because your capital is at risk, and you can lose it.
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Celeste Lindman: You can lose it all if you don’t understand how to properly measure things. So listen up and apply what you hear and be measured like we have Jeffrey turnmayer here with us. He’s measured. He’s been doing this since the third grade, and he’s taught lots and lots of people. This system that he kind of uses called this these echo trades, and it’s fantastic. He’s been able. He’s been right here on. Ask the pros called lots of tops and bombs way in advance. If you listened, it would have been very helpful, for you
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Celeste Lindman: can’t wait for you to see what he’s gonna talk about today. And you know he’s a civil construction engineer by trade and, boy, we’re glad that he is in the markets. He brings a lot of background to us. We’ve got Uncle Roger in the house. Great hats everybody. Uncle Roger is back with us. Top systems. Trader in the world manage millions and billions just all kinds of the wealthiest families all over the world. We can’t name them because you know them.
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Celeste Lindman: and that he’s worked with top top minds because he’s a top mind himself with White House professionals and Ivy League professors. You name it. That’s why a half a 1 million people come around to listen to what Roger has to say, and that’s why you all are here, too. We’re so glad Tony saliva is back with us, you know. Tony’s been busy, you know
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Celeste Lindman: in the crypto world. We are going to hear about that. It’s fantastic. You can go to his website, learn all about it. It’s, and we’re going to talk a lot about it today. Course, Tony is this incredible business leader? He is the only options trader that’s listed in the what is that book? The the market wizards fantastic. And you know he’s a master trader at Cboe, and sole founder, CEO of Liquid Point, founding member of many key companies, and he’s sold those for a real, pretty penny.
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Celeste Lindman: So he’s a pretty wise guy, and you need to listen to what he has to say. He is a board member of the Chicago Stock Exchange there in Chicago, where it is snowing. And just maintains this this global view all over the world, working with people and bringing opportunities to you like we’re going to hear about today. So you know there is a lot going on in the market. There’s a little bit about this Ft. X. And this Sbf. Sam
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Celeste Lindman: bank field fried. Is that right? There’s something about that.
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Tony Saliba: I can’t scam Bankman fraud.
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Celeste Lindman: There you go. That’s a good one, too. I like that. That’s good. Well, I hope none of you were heard by that. But you know, let’s address this thing head on, and let’s get started. Hey, Roger, when you first heard about all this news. you know the ftx, you know everything, and and I up to now what what thoughts are going through your head?
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Roger Scott: could be quite honest with you. I was I wasn’t specifically expecting it with him. I was expecting something like that to happen, and I I don’t think we’re done just yet. The Justice Department moves really the I call it the Department’s store of justice for different reasons. But
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Roger Scott: the depart that yeah, Tony got that one but the the the the the
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Roger Scott: I think they’re very slow there. There’s going to be more. there’s going to be a lot more stuff going on. There’s there’s going to be at least 6 or 7 more companies. Not that big, but there’s it’s like a domino effect. We’re not done cleaning cleaning house just yet.
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Tony Saliba: Great thanks for that. And then, Tony, what in a nutshell, you know what caused all this with ftx and fraud basically in a little little nut a fraud nut.
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Tony Saliba: This this is not indicative of the asset class at all. In fact.
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Tony Saliba: probably everybody on this call remembers Enron.
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Tony Saliba: and it was a energy trading company
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Tony Saliba: that was replete with fraud.
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Tony Saliba: and the as Roger said, the Justice Department finally got around to nail and all those guys and gals.
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Tony Saliba: but we didn’t shut down the energy sector. This guy
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Tony Saliba: Sam Bankman freed
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Tony Saliba: fooled a lot of people
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Tony Saliba: and paid off a lot of people, and you’re gonna find out that a lot of people in Washington
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Tony Saliba: got a lot of his money, and that’s why they arrested him right before he was gonna testify on Tuesday, and this was
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Tony Saliba: total fraud. This was not about the asset class.
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Roger Scott: Yeah, yeah, this is about his fraud. I mean, he’s playing a game, but he know this this guy. Still, money is is plain and simple. He did a lot of wrong things. It it wasn’t it had not. This is nothing to do with privacy or security of crypto.
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Roger Scott: This is this is just a thief, you know.
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Tony Saliba: right and and so that’s one last thing I mean, they
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Tony Saliba: a lot of people entrusted faith in him because it was the kind of spirit of the age where, wow, these are with kids a little bit of credentialing. And a way we go, and the big firms put in a lot of big money, but also a lot of individuals. They say over a 1 million accounts
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Tony Saliba: people like us had their trading dollars there that are tied up now.
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Tony Saliba: but basically. It was a you know, giant shell game of fraud that he layered in money with journalists and politicians.
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Tony Saliba: so that nobody wanted to really pick around the edge. There were some people that picked around the edges early on, but they didn’t get a voice in the mainstream. So
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Celeste Lindman: yeah. Well, i’m here, and it’s i’m glad here from all of you guys here today. You know that it’s but it You know more of this isolation, and that this is not indicative of the whole crypto world, and that’s what we want to bring to the table to today, because, like Jeffrey, turn my, I was listening to your with your weekly this crypto power placing that you have. And I gotta tell you I I really got excited about some of the things that you were saying some of your analysis.
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Celeste Lindman: and and I want to get to that. But first I have to ask you this: You know what’s the best way for traders to protect themselves in this type of volatility and cryptos like. Is there a safe way to do this, or should we just not get involved?
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JT: Well, number one, as with anything you’re going to put your harder and dollars into. You gotta understand what you’re doing. You got to understand the game. You can’t just go. Oh, crypto, that’s the hot new thing.
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JT: I’m all in like that is 100% completely dangerous for your dollars and your sanity. And
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JT: it’s just. I mean, you need to fully understand what you’re doing. That’s that’s the number One way to protect yourself.
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JT: And if you don’t, have don’t want to take the time. Don’t want to, you know. Spend the effort to learn it all.
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JT: Then you need to find yourself somebody that can break it down for you, and you know, really explain it, really make it something
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JT: that you can wrap your head around, and if they’re not willing to answer your questions, and, you know, really take the time to help you.
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JT: Then you need to search for somebody else. And, I like to think that, like through my crypto power plays that I sit there, and it’s. Break it down. Explain the news every week. for those followers that choose to do that. And you even watched a couple of the the back episodes and said that you know you really felt like you learned something. So
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JT: I’m: i’m not going to speak to your crypto credentials. But I for what I understand you don’t have a ton.
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Celeste Lindman: but and that’s probably the case to like a lot of people listening, or you know, maybe some of you who are listening. You dabbled into it, but it’s just like it’s just like Jeffrey said. You know it’s it’s a big world to understanding. You really do need to know who are the professionals that you can trust.
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Celeste Lindman: and that’s why I brought these guys to the table today because I trust them, and i’m implore you to trust them as well. So I think that was very well, said Jeffrey. Thank you. So, Roger, let’s get started with you. You know I was in your class. It was in the spring this year, and it was your algae class. It was a very expensive class. What worth every single penny. And you start talking about cryptos there, and some things that you were seeing with the all those and the cryptos. I wonder if you could share a little bit of that with us? I know you have some broad analysis for us as well, too.
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Celeste Lindman: so you can share that. But I want to hear also about I’ll go.
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Celeste Lindman: And, Roger, you are muted.
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Roger Scott: and you’re still muted. Can you hear me now i’m so sorry, I said. That is great. I can’t wait to share all that stuff with you.
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Roger Scott: let me let me do some market analysis for you, and then we’ll get into that. As a matter of fact, I want to show you a graph of what we discussed, and Matt, is you going to have it for me in the next few seconds.
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Roger Scott: All right, he’s converting it so we should be kosher all right. So the first few things I want to talk about. Let me just go ahead and share my screen, and I will talk about that. But before we do I wanted to just address one last thing, and I don’t mean to be the dead horse.
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Roger Scott: This this whole bankman fried business, this whole character. If the market, if the crypto market was going higher. The
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Roger Scott: and and people were making money. I think he would have kept perpetuating this, and nobody would have been the wiser.
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Roger Scott: and I think the only reason why he, and maybe not the only reason, but one of the biggest reasons why it happened is because the market started moving down. When people starts moving down you it’s harder to play the there’s a there’s a name there’s a a criminal name for it, but it’s basically you know the the shell game, the the
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Roger Scott: Ponzi think? Thank you so much, Ponzi. Scheme. Yes, as you as you could see my knowledge of criminal. but think yeah, Ponzi was an Italian. So yes, yeah, yeah. But thank you. Thank you guys. Yeah, it it’s harder to do that, which is, by the way Allah made off. Thank you. So I just wanted to bring that to the thing. So
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Roger Scott: it’s kind of unfortunate that this had to happen for him to get caught. You know it’s kind of sad. Now.
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Roger Scott: I want to talk about some things now. I think a lot of people here, a lot of people. I’m going to go ahead and share my screen are curious about the market right now, and.
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Roger Scott: as you know, Celeste, I’ve been. I I’ve been very vocal about this market for the last several weeks, and I’ve been talking about a market this market and I’ve been saying how this market is doing the best job humanly possible
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Roger Scott: of
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Roger Scott: of
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Roger Scott: trying to trick
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Roger Scott: the
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Roger Scott: bears into thinking that the bulls are in charge again.
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Roger Scott: Okay, it I’ve never in my life have seen. I mean it started right here. And and, by the way, by the way.
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Roger Scott: when I say this, I was reading, I was reading a barons last Saturday.
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Roger Scott: There was a little comment there wasn’t even an article. It was a little comment, and it said.
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Roger Scott: before we saw this downside right here when we were like right here when everybody was thinking. You know Rainbows and and and you know are are back in, and the world is pretty again.
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Roger Scott: it said in the in, the in the Barons, that the divergence between the S. And P. And the spy is the biggest.
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Roger Scott: It’s been the biggest. It has been the
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Roger Scott: in since 1,930,
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Roger Scott: so you could see here that the the S. And P. Just hit the fifty-day mood the 200 day moving average didn’t really rally up here. But the dow
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Roger Scott: it took us for a spin, and if traders are looking at the dow, and if they’re relying on the dow.
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Roger Scott: they would have thought that the dow is now breaking out and going into a new bull market, because we’re about to 200 day moving average. We’re we have a little cup and handle here, everybody. You don’t understand how many emails I got. Say, Roger, Roger, you’re wrong. You’re wrong, and no, I wasn’t. I wasn’t wrong. And on that note, just to show you guys some perspective.
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Roger Scott: If I looked at the charts I would have been fooled, too.
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Roger Scott: This number, right here 2 weeks ago is at ninetieth percentile.
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Roger Scott: That’s the number of stocks trading above the fifty-day moving average. It’s at 55. Now
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Roger Scott: this number right here
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Roger Scott: the Dow Jones was at 95. It’s now at 66. It’s a big difference between 95 and 66 i’ll show you in case you don’t believe me, let me show you what i’m talking about.
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Roger Scott: Look at this
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Roger Scott: right there.
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Roger Scott: That was 2 weeks ago, and now we’re right there, and every time we come up here, guess where we end up down here
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Roger Scott: it’s not. You don’t have to be an Einstein to figure that out. Okay, you really don’t matter of fact, S. And P. Did a classic topping out right at the 200 day moving average.
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Roger Scott: shook out the weak hands
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Roger Scott: and took us right back down
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Roger Scott: this right here was confusing a lot of people. It confused me. I thought we were peaking out right here.
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Roger Scott: So so everybody, everybody I was. I was victim of it, too. I went short about 2 weeks early.
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Roger Scott: It it happens, it happens, but the bottom line is, we’re now below the 50 day moving average. We’re now going down there’s absolutely no support till we get down here. And I would say, based on everything i’m seeing together the odds of seeing a more downside is very, very high
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Roger Scott: on that note. I want to give you guys some stocks that I think are going to go down, and then I’m going to share some cool stuff with you related to Crypto.
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Roger Scott: So this is a stock
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Roger Scott: that I believe, has some some more downside. When I first said it had more downside it was trading.
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Roger Scott: It was trading right over here. It now Rally, it came up, and I think it’s going to go back down to the base. It’s Tiger simple T. E. A. M.
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Roger Scott: I think the stock is going to go to the 1 15 Level.
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Roger Scott: Another stock is lift.
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Roger Scott: I think lift will will need a lift pretty soon.
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Roger Scott: I think the stock is going to come back down all the way to the $9 level break new lows.
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Roger Scott: The next stock is
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Roger Scott: financials, are, i’m, actually short. The financials right now, and I think financials are going to make new lows and come down to the 1 86 level from 2, 10, which is a pretty nice.
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Roger Scott: a pretty nice trait there.
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Roger Scott: Car Max. Cars are not going to be sold really well this year.
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Roger Scott: Excuse me next year. I think this is going to go down to $55 per share.
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Roger Scott: and last, but not least, it was to take her symbol of that one. There Kmx.
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Roger Scott: K. Mx. And I look silly with this hat, but I just looking at my son with his hat for the first, and then it’s fun. Oh, here one, this one
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Roger Scott: I’ve been really shorting this one, and we just we we did. We had one more, but we just took profit. It was dish. We took like a 45, 55% profit on it today. Yesterday. Sorry. I think this one right here live nation, live nation entertainment
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Roger Scott: is going to go back down to the there is a clear, clear decline in consumer activity in the country. I hate to say that, but it just happens to be true.
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Roger Scott: Now let me open up this graph. I’m going to show you something pretty cool here.
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Roger Scott: Here we go.
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Roger Scott: So you guys see this graph: this is an equity chart of Bitcoin.
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Roger Scott: If you start it. When does it start? Mat. See, here
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Roger Scott: starts with a $100,000.
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Roger Scott: It is 36 trades. I’m just i’m just grabbing. I’m just kind of getting
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Roger Scott: my head around it as well.
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Roger Scott: When does it start, Matt? What’s the start? Date?
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Roger Scott: It’s the last 3 years. Thank you. So this is 3 years trading Bitcoin.
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Roger Scott: I didn’t show you guys do this in my algo class, but i’m showing it to you here.
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Roger Scott: and this is the equity curve. So we started with
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Roger Scott: 100 K. And this is how it’s been doing, and it’s starting to come up again.
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Roger Scott: and i’m sure that most of you would like, Roger. We really like the system. This is really cool. I mean. Look, look at the numbers here.
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Roger Scott: 75% accurate, right?
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Roger Scott: It holds about 6 bars. So about 6 days.
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Roger Scott: It has one loss in a row.
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Roger Scott: and
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Roger Scott: let’s see what’s the profit factor? 4.0 7. Now, who does not like that.
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Roger Scott: So how do you? Would you guys like me to give you the rules of the system? Because I think it’ll continue working for the next 10 years.
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Roger Scott: Nice! What do you guys say? Let’s hear it in the chat.
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Roger Scott: and you can use this in your own trading.
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Roger Scott: Do you want to what you say. Yeah, I’m going to share with them. It’s. I could probably sell this for probably $10,000 if I wanted to today, but i’m going to give it to you guys.
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Roger Scott: It’s very complicated. So you got to write this down. You You get in
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Roger Scott: the close, or towards the end of the day at the third to the last day of the month.
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Roger Scott: and you get out the third business day of the new month.
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Roger Scott: That’s it!
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Roger Scott: That’s another day you get. You get in third day, third day before the end of the month business day, and you get out. Third day after the beginning of the month.
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Roger Scott: And this this, by the way, since Bitcoin is correlated to about 97% of other cryptos, you could trade other major cryptos using it. There’s basically a rhythm to Bitcoin and cryptos that
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Roger Scott: causes them to pull back at the end of the month and cause them to go up. It’s like a last week’s swing.
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Roger Scott: and we we we we found it, and because it only has 2 rules, anything, you know, My, you know my theory. Anything under 5 will continue working.
00:19:13.960 –> 00:19:15.180
Roger Scott: So.
00:19:15.430 –> 00:19:21.919
Roger Scott: So I believe this will continue working. Basically, you get in third day before the end of the month, their business day, and then you get out
00:19:21.970 –> 00:19:28.180
Roger Scott: day of the new month. And the third day that’s it simple. I know you guys are waiting for complicated formulas there isn’t one.
00:19:28.390 –> 00:19:29.890
Roger Scott: I’m not that smart.
00:19:30.320 –> 00:19:39.939
Roger Scott: No, this is Bitcoin. This is just any crypto. Last 3 years made 300% return 100% a year 75% accurate, 4.2, 8 profit factor.
00:19:39.960 –> 00:19:51.039
Roger Scott: That’s great. Now, we’re just gearing up on these systems. And this we’re this is just something i’m giving you guys for free. Imagine the kind of stuff I’m gonna have 6 to 8 months from now when we put some time into it.
00:19:51.270 –> 00:19:56.830
Celeste Lindman: No getting very excited, so i’m very excited to be here, and i’m very excited to hear with Tony and Jeffrey
00:19:56.840 –> 00:20:24.299
Celeste Lindman: have to say so. That’s it for me, Celeste Perfect. That’s excellent. Let’s keep it going, Jeffrey. You don’t want to get back to that weekly video that you make for your subscribers subscribers. You know you talked about this for your cycle. You talked about this having and and you talked about how Bitcoin responded, or didn’t respond to ftx a lot of great things in there. But I want you to unpack for us. You know. What are the things that we need to know today. Moving forward in this with all the crypto.
00:20:24.560 –> 00:20:34.339
JT: I just want to address one little thing that Roger, Roger, kind of touched on with his trade. There. There is a mining cycle that almost corresponds directly to that
00:20:35.480 –> 00:20:47.159
JT: right at the beginning of the month, when budgets are reset and everything miners go crazy and create a new spike, usually a new all time high in the the hash rate on Bitcoin particularly.
00:20:47.200 –> 00:21:05.619
JT: and then it after it spikes right the first month it pulls back the rest of the month, and that almost corresponds with what Roger found there. it’s kind of like catching the low in the mining rate and then catching the the spike in the the mining rate. it’s interesting. The the patterns that align and the the things you can do.
00:21:06.080 –> 00:21:09.649
JT: yeah. So let me share a chart and
00:21:09.710 –> 00:21:12.220
JT: go a little bit nerdy on
00:21:14.020 –> 00:21:14.950
00:21:14.970 –> 00:21:16.980
JT: the cycle in
00:21:17.080 –> 00:21:25.279
JT: and crypto. Here, let me share an actual screen we love. It gets nerdy. That’s good.
00:21:25.300 –> 00:21:28.920
JT: So right here we have Bitcoin capitalization.
00:21:29.260 –> 00:21:30.010
00:21:30.860 –> 00:21:36.549
JT: one of the things that Bitcoin offers us is a record of where every single Bitcoin is.
00:21:37.000 –> 00:21:38.739
JT: what address is holding it?
00:21:39.080 –> 00:21:43.740
JT: What price you know, and we can compare that to the price history, and see what price they paid.
00:21:43.930 –> 00:21:53.780
JT: and if they sell any, what price they sell for if they obtain more, what price they obtained more at, and that allows us to create a capitalization now that doesn’t exist in the stock market.
00:21:54.030 –> 00:21:56.970
JT: Stocks are held in a clearing company.
00:21:57.070 –> 00:22:03.969
JT: and we have no idea who holds what shares, and you know it’s all behind layers of hidden.
00:22:04.160 –> 00:22:05.730
JT: you know, Junk.
00:22:05.950 –> 00:22:20.239
JT: And that transparency is just not present in any other asset class. I mean, it’s not present in Fourx. It’s not present in the stock market. It’s not present, and options like you, Don’t, have this kind of clarity, but what we do have it in cryptos
00:22:20.390 –> 00:22:24.339
JT: and Bitcoin specifically is what I have up on the on the screen here.
00:22:24.510 –> 00:22:25.700
00:22:26.120 –> 00:22:33.310
JT: we can find out the capitalization. What that means is what Pr: what’s the average price that Bitcoin has transacted at?
00:22:33.560 –> 00:22:47.900
JT: Now I have this for the last 4 cycles, including the current cycle. We have the, you know, 2,112 cycle, where we pulled down off a high, and we saw a 24% reduction in that market capitalization of a Bitcoin.
00:22:48.170 –> 00:22:49.099
JT: and then
00:22:49.280 –> 00:22:56.089
JT: 2,01415. We saw a little bit lighter pull back. You know this was the early days 2,01112,
00:22:56.210 –> 00:23:07.030
JT: 1415. We were getting a little more adoption. pricing going through the you know, a whole cycle, and made a new high, and then we got about a 14% reduction off of that new high
00:23:07.120 –> 00:23:09.470
JT: in the average capitalization of Bitcoin.
00:23:10.040 –> 00:23:26.280
JT: Now, Roll forward into the 2,01819 cycle, where Bitcoin was quite a bit more popular in the the 4 figures. You know we were in the thousands of dollars for a Bitcoin now, and we saw about a 16 and a half percent reduction. That’s the bottom left chart right here
00:23:26.470 –> 00:23:30.660
JT: off of the peak we saw about a 16 and a half percent
00:23:30.790 –> 00:23:38.339
JT: reduction in the capitalization. Now, this is not the price of Bitcoin. This is the price that people are holding the Bitcoin at the average price. The
00:23:39.090 –> 00:23:40.420
JT: Now, currently.
00:23:40.520 –> 00:23:51.330
JT: this is interesting. We have a 17% reduction in the market capitalization, very, very close to the 16 and a half that we saw in the last cycle.
00:23:52.460 –> 00:24:08.220
JT: So this to me tells me that we are very close to finding a bottom. And actually I got an alert yesterday that somebody’s on chain analysis was seeing whale accounts start accumulating just yesterday for the first time in like 6 months.
00:24:08.450 –> 00:24:11.249
JT: you know, they had been either frozen or
00:24:11.270 –> 00:24:17.230
JT: selling a little bit off for the last 6 months, creating this down in the capitalization.
00:24:17.310 –> 00:24:25.730
JT: And now, for the first time yesterday, we got an alert that we’re seeing some whale accounts which are accounts that hold hundreds or thousands of bitcoins
00:24:25.860 –> 00:24:33.100
JT: you know. Think about that. We’re talking about a 1718, you know, 1,000 $618,000 thing, and they’re holding thousands of these.
00:24:33.780 –> 00:24:37.030
JT: So that’s a lot of money, and they’re starting to accumulate more.
00:24:37.690 –> 00:24:43.679
JT: So this is potentially going to find a bottom and start rounding out and come back up again into the new cycle.
00:24:44.360 –> 00:24:48.700
JT: Now this happens about every 4 years, and it corresponds with the having cycle.
00:24:48.930 –> 00:24:55.569
JT: and that gets a little more technical. And we’re going to have a special class that we’re going to talk about here in a few minutes that
00:24:55.730 –> 00:25:00.169
JT: for people that choose to to go on and get more information about it. But you know
00:25:00.310 –> 00:25:03.979
JT: I was talking about the mining, and there’s a cycle on the payout for mining.
00:25:04.500 –> 00:25:06.809
JT: and in in civil terms
00:25:07.070 –> 00:25:10.779
JT: the rate that you pay out gets cut in half at some
00:25:11.190 –> 00:25:13.760
JT: point, and we’ll talk about that more later.
00:25:14.040 –> 00:25:18.299
JT: and that points estimated to be coming up. It’s not a date.
00:25:18.360 –> 00:25:22.749
JT: It’s based on the mining, and it’s coming up in 2,024.
00:25:22.990 –> 00:25:27.709
JT: So we are in this this low, this low, where everybody is talking about how
00:25:27.840 –> 00:25:44.100
JT: Crappy crypto is right now I mean I can’t count the headlines that say cryptos going to 0. I think Goldman Sachs came out last week and estimated the whole market capitalization of cryptos going to 100 billion, which would be one eighth of where it is right now it’s like a 80% reduction. And
00:25:44.330 –> 00:25:50.110
JT: I just don’t see that happening. I mean it’s the history right here shows that we’re. We’re approaching
00:25:50.420 –> 00:26:01.969
JT: what’s going to be the bottom of this cycle, and it’s a psychological cycle, too. We see it in markets from the tulip craze in the you know the early days before you know
00:26:02.070 –> 00:26:10.529
JT: stock markets all the way to today where you get hype people get. You know that fear, the uncertainty, the doubt.
00:26:10.630 –> 00:26:21.370
JT: They go through optimism and euphoria, and then you know it resets, you know. We get these charts. They spike up, and then they come back down, and we go through the low.
00:26:21.450 –> 00:26:28.080
JT: and it happens over and over and over, and it’s predictable, and we could trade it right, guys.
00:26:29.110 –> 00:26:40.500
Celeste Lindman: Well, you do. You do trade it? And because the other thing that you said in your your video that really, you know, I I listen to you, said how you 10 X. You’re not your your account. 10
00:26:40.610 –> 00:26:41.830
Celeste Lindman: to next
00:26:41.960 –> 00:26:45.010
Celeste Lindman: trading some cryptos. So sometime we’re going to have to hear about that.
00:26:45.350 –> 00:26:47.539
JT: Yeah. And yeah.
00:26:47.810 –> 00:26:53.230
JT: there’s opportunities. And like, I said, you’ve got to understand what it is you’re doing what
00:26:53.440 –> 00:26:54.860
JT: what the risks are.
00:26:55.120 –> 00:26:58.290
JT: what what things happening, I mean. There were.
00:26:59.010 –> 00:27:02.200
JT: you know, to to dive into the ftx thing a little bit more.
00:27:03.190 –> 00:27:06.190
JT: s Bf: and the guy that runs finance
00:27:06.410 –> 00:27:12.469
JT: got in a little bit of a a war with each other, and the binance guy kind of.
00:27:14.380 –> 00:27:27.100
JT: bought a lot of the ftx crypto, and then dumped it very, very quickly, and created a liquidity crisis. And this was going on in the background because he knew that that Alameda was treating Luna
00:27:27.470 –> 00:27:32.500
JT: and got caught holding a guilt large loss when Luna kind of done
00:27:32.630 –> 00:27:34.330
JT: unraveled as a fraud.
00:27:34.480 –> 00:27:39.830
JT: So there’s a lot of these things that you have to keep up with. If you’re going to jump into them, they’re not all equal.
00:27:39.870 –> 00:27:41.900
JT: Bitcoin is
00:27:42.300 –> 00:27:46.949
JT: been the first one, and it keeps holding on like there for a very good reason.
00:27:47.250 –> 00:27:56.860
JT: And one of the things we were talking about with Tony, is that you know the crypto market. There’s no centralized pricing there’s no central exchange there’s no central control.
00:27:56.970 –> 00:27:58.659
JT: All these
00:27:58.910 –> 00:28:02.810
JT: people like ftx and finance and coinbase and
00:28:02.920 –> 00:28:08.549
JT: all the other brokers out there that you hear of the exchanges, if you will.
00:28:08.830 –> 00:28:15.680
JT: they all buy cryptos, and then hold them and trade them with the people with their clients.
00:28:16.350 –> 00:28:18.690
JT: and it’s just kind of like a a little island.
00:28:18.790 –> 00:28:19.839
JT: if you will.
00:28:20.410 –> 00:28:21.490
Celeste Lindman: And
00:28:22.130 –> 00:28:26.879
JT: so, then you have this ocean that’s out here, connecting the islands, where
00:28:26.960 –> 00:28:29.739
JT: all all of the Bitcoin exists everywhere.
00:28:30.310 –> 00:28:34.160
JT: But it’s in these little island containers, and that’s where people like
00:28:34.920 –> 00:28:44.240
JT: Spf are able to take advantage, and it was really just good old-fashioned money, laundering and fraud, and you know, embezzlement and buying.
00:28:44.510 –> 00:28:54.339
JT: Everybody is family houses. And then you know the family of all the top employees houses. I mean that’s just embezzlement right? I mean. You can’t do that with company money.
00:28:54.660 –> 00:29:24.430
Celeste Lindman: So well, let’s let’s dive into this, and that was excellent an analysis and and views that you just showed us there. Jeffrey, thank you for that, and let’s, you know. Let’s talk a little bit about this, because control is something that that a lot of people listening, you know. It’s like in myself. I think it was Well, you know who’s controlling all this? Where are the guidelines? Where is the governance? Even though we don’t want the governance? But we do want the governance, and this is a really key thing, because when I was when we were talking on the phone the other day Tony and Jeffrey and some others of us.
00:29:24.440 –> 00:29:53.550
Celeste Lindman: you know that’s where just really learning from Tony how there is some control, and it’s it’s in this this separation of functions that you’re going to hear about, and you all know that i’m a Cpa. So i’m all about auditing and and separating functions. So when I was learning this, and hearing this, it really made me Think how this is. This is that the as Tony said the gray-haired version, the the the version of wisdom taking us through this crypto universe. That’s not going away. So, Tony, Welcome back. We’re so glad you’re here.
00:29:53.600 –> 00:30:06.509
Celeste Lindman: you know. But you know, and I looked over your website. It’s fantastic that the the professionals that you have around you are just phenomenal. That. Why are you doing this? Why, why crypto platform? Why, Why, now, what makes you different?
00:30:07.280 –> 00:30:11.100
Tony Saliba: Well, the why for me, I mean I
00:30:11.480 –> 00:30:19.730
Tony Saliba: when we we’ve been doing this almost 3 years right? And When we first started doing it, I launched the broker dealer matrix.
00:30:19.750 –> 00:30:23.510
Tony Saliba: We we develop technology for institutions.
00:30:23.660 –> 00:30:25.410
Tony Saliba: And
00:30:25.590 –> 00:30:30.480
Tony Saliba: my effort with you all is to bring that to individuals.
00:30:30.570 –> 00:30:33.740
Tony Saliba: and I think the big hurdle was the
00:30:33.800 –> 00:30:49.850
Tony Saliba: moving of minimum size accounts which a lot of people didn’t want to try a new platform and move $25,000 over whatever. So our our solution with launch pub, which is a
00:30:49.860 –> 00:31:06.869
Tony Saliba: sister company of Dti. there’s no minimums you do. You don’t even need to start with a dollar. But why now, and why did we do this? I moved over, so I launched Mercury At the same time I did a matrix, and we use
00:31:07.030 –> 00:31:20.700
Tony Saliba: The same institutional state of the art technology that we deliver to our banks and trading firms. And what we did was when we started. Celeste.
00:31:20.870 –> 00:31:38.450
Tony Saliba: 5 years ago. We didn’t look at Coinbase and these others as as exchanges. They were trading venues, and as Jeffrey was saying, and you followed on. They’re monolithic. They’re like single stack verticals of functions.
00:31:38.760 –> 00:31:40.670
Tony Saliba: in the
00:31:40.730 –> 00:31:47.410
Tony Saliba: listed world with stocks and options and even futures. All these functions are separated
00:31:47.490 –> 00:32:05.390
Tony Saliba: the exchange matches, trades liquidity providers, our specials or market makers. You have a prime broker or a discount broker, and you have a bank. You have a clearing entity, like occ for options and deep
00:32:05.400 –> 00:32:07.600
Tony Saliba: Dtcc. For stocks.
00:32:07.760 –> 00:32:09.440
Tony Saliba: And, as you said.
00:32:09.560 –> 00:32:13.330
Tony Saliba: these functions are easily audited.
00:32:13.480 –> 00:32:14.750
Tony Saliba: and you have
00:32:14.850 –> 00:32:16.400
Tony Saliba: different
00:32:16.760 –> 00:32:21.100
Tony Saliba: parts in the food chain of execution. That
00:32:21.260 –> 00:32:25.940
Tony Saliba: They’re all my opinion. They’re over regulated in the listed side. But in the
00:32:26.010 –> 00:32:28.960
Tony Saliba: crypto side. There was no regulation
00:32:29.080 –> 00:32:39.899
Tony Saliba: coinbase changed that to some degree where you know they went public, and they started to separate and get some of their functions.
00:32:39.920 –> 00:32:44.100
Tony Saliba: certified, if you will finance.
00:32:44.130 –> 00:32:52.180
Tony Saliba: it does that also. And Gemini, which was the first Us. Exchange, set out to do this
00:32:52.490 –> 00:32:56.349
Tony Saliba: from a regulatory, compliant
00:32:56.370 –> 00:32:58.370
Tony Saliba: point of view.
00:32:58.410 –> 00:33:06.259
Tony Saliba: where, if you go to Gemini’s website, they have a a page that shows their transparency. There’s no leverage
00:33:06.320 –> 00:33:25.159
Tony Saliba: with Gemini. For instance, we were talking about ftx and everything that Roger and and Jeffrey said happened, and Spot on. But Big Factor was leverage. They were using their own token and lending it to their hedge fund. And
00:33:25.220 –> 00:33:26.560
Tony Saliba: that
00:33:26.680 –> 00:33:36.210
Tony Saliba: bit of a shell game that leverage that came in became, you know, started to form a house of cards where
00:33:36.960 –> 00:33:38.769
Tony Saliba: an an exchange like
00:33:38.790 –> 00:33:42.169
Tony Saliba: Gem and I, They don’t do lending. They
00:33:42.280 –> 00:33:56.749
Tony Saliba: outsource that. Okay? And then you can make a decision whether you want to do it or not as a customer. But you’re not exposed to that leverage at Gemini, for instance. But if you go to this, their transparency page, you can see
00:33:57.210 –> 00:33:59.500
Tony Saliba: we call money
00:33:59.530 –> 00:34:06.579
Tony Saliba: fiat, because whether they’re euros or dollars, or yet they’re created by a government
00:34:06.690 –> 00:34:10.220
Tony Saliba: it’s created by fiat, and what
00:34:10.360 –> 00:34:17.679
Tony Saliba: underpins it is. Trust. Okay? Whereas with Bitcoin, aetherium and some of the other majors.
00:34:17.699 –> 00:34:36.170
Tony Saliba: there’s a finite amount. So you don’t need to trust that the Government isn’t going to print more, and the value the value of the asset you’re holding. And also, as Jeffrey said, You have an accounting function, so you can see. Go all the way back to the initial
00:34:36.179 –> 00:34:45.139
Tony Saliba: transaction or sale of that piece of the asset that you own and see who’s touched it. And when
00:34:45.179 –> 00:34:53.369
Tony Saliba: and another E. It interesting component is that we go out 8 decimals. So, even though a full coin is
00:34:53.400 –> 00:35:01.579
Tony Saliba: $1718,000 today, you can, you know, buy a dollars by by going out far enough if you wish.
00:35:01.790 –> 00:35:09.259
Tony Saliba: So When we started. We didn’t look at these venues as exchanges, because they were not separating
00:35:09.280 –> 00:35:10.680
Tony Saliba: these functions.
00:35:10.880 –> 00:35:14.690
Tony Saliba: and Mercury liquid mercury. Our company
00:35:14.800 –> 00:35:18.609
Tony Saliba: doesn’t touch the fiat doesn’t hold any money.
00:35:18.660 –> 00:35:22.870
Tony Saliba: We delivered technology. So we partnered with Gemini
00:35:23.280 –> 00:35:27.259
Tony Saliba: to create a solution that then
00:35:27.670 –> 00:35:33.520
Tony Saliba: made it available to firms like launch pub to
00:35:33.930 –> 00:35:36.410
Tony Saliba: bring this to their audience.
00:35:36.530 –> 00:35:37.800
Tony Saliba: in a
00:35:37.920 –> 00:35:39.740
Tony Saliba: very
00:35:39.770 –> 00:35:44.170
Tony Saliba: institutional level of high-speed execution.
00:35:44.260 –> 00:35:47.649
Tony Saliba: all of the
00:35:48.080 –> 00:35:52.849
Tony Saliba: training and execution components
00:35:53.370 –> 00:35:59.890
Tony Saliba: multiple market makers that deliver the best prices.
00:35:59.950 –> 00:36:01.339
Tony Saliba: No commission.
00:36:01.630 –> 00:36:05.169
Tony Saliba: And, as I said, no minimum account.
00:36:05.210 –> 00:36:13.070
Tony Saliba: So Morgan and the team and I teamed up. If if you go to trading at Launch Pub.
00:36:13.220 –> 00:36:15.840
Tony Saliba: you can see the website there
00:36:15.930 –> 00:36:17.790
Tony Saliba: and get information.
00:36:18.020 –> 00:36:27.659
Tony Saliba: But this is a way to democratize this process you don’t have to go to a coin base where
00:36:27.870 –> 00:36:37.200
Tony Saliba: they are using all of these functions under one umbrella, and then they’re charging you anywhere from a half a percent to 1%
00:36:37.270 –> 00:36:39.299
Tony Saliba: or more of your trade
00:36:39.320 –> 00:36:45.640
Tony Saliba: and get it commission free. So we we wanted to take what we’ve built.
00:36:45.960 –> 00:36:50.730
Tony Saliba: We do this for institutions and and team up with
00:36:50.800 –> 00:36:55.050
Tony Saliba: Morgan and the guys and gales to deliver this to you. All
00:36:55.810 –> 00:37:13.949
Celeste Lindman: this is fantastic. It’s it’s very intriguing, and some of the things you said. I just want to clarify. So really you can. You can open an account for a dollar, and and your dollar is going to be a dollar is going to be a dollar as long as what you are. Trading is still a dollar. There’s no commission.
00:37:14.200 –> 00:37:16.230
Celeste Lindman: There’s no fees there’s no minimum.
00:37:16.930 –> 00:37:41.050
Tony Saliba: and you can even get some expensive coins. But you can. You can get fractions of those if you you know. Do it properly right right out to 8 8 decimal places. Now, thing is somebody in the chat mentioned, you know. Have a have your own hardware wallet or cold storage. And you can do that, too, because Jim and I will let you transfer out every day, so you can use this system
00:37:41.060 –> 00:37:42.319
Tony Saliba: to transact.
00:37:42.500 –> 00:37:54.539
Tony Saliba: and if you want to take some or all out and put it in your own wallet, if you’re that advanced and have that, You can do that, too, but you can also see on their website the balance of
00:37:54.560 –> 00:38:09.059
Tony Saliba: dollars versus bitcoin, or theorem, or other coins that are the other pairs that are trading, that they have that all in very plain sight. No, they don’t
00:38:09.250 –> 00:38:18.930
Tony Saliba: Take your assets and lend them out, or or or leverage their balance sheet at all. So
00:38:19.170 –> 00:38:20.100
Tony Saliba: you know
00:38:20.510 –> 00:38:25.100
Tony Saliba: these strategies that Jeffrey and and Roger were talking about
00:38:25.220 –> 00:38:42.600
Tony Saliba: do work. There’s a. There’s a couple of other ones based on these timings. Our clients are minors and institutions, so we see them when they basically want to turn in their tokens for dollars or euros. it is it is. There is a timing
00:38:42.610 –> 00:38:50.900
Tony Saliba: factor on that, and Rogers I think you know we’ll work continues to work, and you can try it with, You know.
00:38:51.510 –> 00:39:02.089
Tony Saliba: $100, $500, and see how it goes for a while, but it it’s one of a number of different strategies. But but I think a lot of people are
00:39:02.440 –> 00:39:06.659
Tony Saliba: putting them in their portfolio as a buy and hold
00:39:06.870 –> 00:39:13.990
Tony Saliba: even if it’s only like 5% of your assets as a offset to printing dollars, for instance.
00:39:14.740 –> 00:39:20.439
Celeste Lindman: So there’s a lot of transparency that sounds like with with what you’re presenting to us
00:39:20.450 –> 00:39:47.009
Celeste Lindman: and and you’ll see on the screen there, too. Yeah, we’re we’re pairing up Jeffrey turn Meyer and Tony Soleib and I know everyone is just dying for that link, and I want to give it to you. But I want to tell you to a little bit more about this, how you’re going to be able to get a lot of value. When you go to a particular link you can go to the website there with the all about liquid mercury, and you should, and you could go learn everything about liquid mercury. But you’re going to want to follow this link. If you’re going to want to get in
00:39:47.020 –> 00:40:16.999
Celeste Lindman: on a class that Jeffrey is going to do. So i’m really excited about this, and you guys can just jump in. What you’re gonna do is you’re gonna go. And if if you want to go ahead and tap, dump in that, that the the site there it’s the trading launch pub, I/O, and open account there. So Adam has put in the chat that’s what you’ve been asking for. I recommend that everybody go. Do this, you go do it. It only caught. You can. Only you can put in a dollar. But if you put in a $100 you don’t have to spend it. You don’t have to trade it. It’s going to stay there. It’s a $100 is good
00:40:17.010 –> 00:40:20.189
Celeste Lindman: to be. $100 is going to be $100 until you do something with it.
00:40:20.200 –> 00:40:48.720
Celeste Lindman: but what that does is that gives you the opportunity to get in and get in with a bonus class with Jeffrey turn Meyer, and that, you know, get some professional insight from some other people as well on how to. You know, go about trading this, this crypto in this universe. So that step one is. You go right there to that website again. It’s in the chat. It’s the trading dot launch pub, I/O and deposit $100. I mean
00:40:48.730 –> 00:41:18.669
Celeste Lindman: It’s not good again. It’s not going to cost you anything, because that’s your $100. You can trade with it. And you just heard Tony explain how that’s going to work a little bit, and then once you get that account opened, and you can do it right now. Make sure you do it today. Once you get that account open, then you’re going to look in your email box, and that’s going to have all the instructions for you how to attend a bonus class. It’s going to be on Monday. Okay, today is Friday. Next is Monday, Monday at 1030 am. Eastern time, and it’s going to be recorded because
00:41:18.680 –> 00:41:47.010
Celeste Lindman: I know you’re going to want to go back and listen to it again and again, and I’m going to want to go. Listen to it again and again. but it’ll be recorded. It’ll be available to you once you get that account open, so make sure you do that. A great way to start off the New Year. you know markets have been crazy, and looks like for some things that that Jeffrey has pointed out to us, and some things that I’ve seen him point out to me on this cryptocurrency, this this looks like some pretty good timing.
00:41:47.020 –> 00:42:04.689
Celeste Lindman: You’ll learn all you’re going to learn all these kind of things. So you’re going to learn Number 1.0 one is you’re going to learn what in the heck is this having thing? And why does it matter? Okay, Jeffrey is going to bring it down to you in very understandable analysis. I know I’ve just seen some of it.
00:42:04.700 –> 00:42:34.690
Celeste Lindman: that again. That’s gonna be on Monday. December nineteenth, at 1030, Eastern time you’re going to get the next 1 0, 2 points, and that’s going to be getting the previous having analysis and the upcoming predictions. You’re going to get Point 0 3 Bitcoin versus other coin price flows. You’re going to get these number 4, 3 big opportunities that Jeffrey is watching. I mean, it’s going to be just an an amazing event to attend, and I think you all want to be there and listen to that recording over and over.
00:42:34.700 –> 00:42:36.149
It’s going to be the first
00:42:36.160 –> 00:43:06.049
Celeste Lindman: of several classes and training that as part of this launch pub platform on cryptocurrency. Okay, this is a big announcement big announcement, and so just make sure you go get your account open so you can get in first hand on Monday and get the information right now timing is perfect, you know a lot of people are leaving. They’re not trading in the markets. The markets are a little ill liquid. That’s very very common this time. In December they go. They go on vacation, you know what? Why, don’t you take some time and really get this crypto.
00:43:06.060 –> 00:43:35.760
Celeste Lindman: So under your belt by going to that website and signing up Adam has posted again in the chat. Just go there, Sign up $100. You can learn how to trade with it. If you get signed up and you decide. Hey, you know what this is not for me. I don’t want to do that. Do this. Then take your $100 out. Close the account. You can do that. It’s it’s up to you. It’s up to you what you want to do with this, but I think it’s it’s just one of the fantastic opportunities of our lifetime, and I think you have some really
00:43:35.770 –> 00:44:00.120
Celeste Lindman: intelligent and very nice people to help guide you through this, and that’s what you need. I piggyback on what Jeffrey said at the very beginning, you can learn this. You can do it yourself. Yep, you can do it. You can buy a book and read about it, or you can follow some proven professionals and let it let them teach you and guide you and piggyback on their trades, and that’s what I highly recommend, somebody that you can trust.
00:44:00.130 –> 00:44:19.680
Roger Scott: and I trust these guys. So i’m glad that you all are here today. What else? I I have a I I had a question actually for Tony Tony, as you know, the Cfdc. Started regulating cryptos recently. Do you think that’s going to increase Investor Trust and stabilize things a little more, and ultimately be a good thing for for for the cryptos. Yeah. So
00:44:21.180 –> 00:44:33.549
Tony Saliba: the way crypto’s been regulated over the last 5 years, because about 5 and 2,017, the Scc. Decided that Bitcoin was not
00:44:33.650 –> 00:44:36.529
Tony Saliba: a security.
00:44:36.610 –> 00:44:45.859
Tony Saliba: and it was given the same kind of designation as a currency where you know you can trade
00:44:46.150 –> 00:44:50.100
Tony Saliba: dollars versus euros on on fx platforms.
00:44:50.180 –> 00:45:07.089
Tony Saliba: but over the last 5 years the Scc. Has been regulating cryptocurrencies by enforcement, so companies that are trying to. Not not everybody’s trying to be a good actor, Obviously Ft. X. Showed that. But
00:45:07.250 –> 00:45:26.100
Tony Saliba: companies are trying to be good actors, but then step over some imaginary line. that. the Sec. goes after and finds is not a way to regulate an industry. So, having the cftc start to regulate the future side right.
00:45:26.110 –> 00:45:29.300
Tony Saliba: and there’s been a number of proposals
00:45:29.380 –> 00:45:47.199
Tony Saliba: out of the swap to regulate, based on Finn or Acc. Which is the office of the Controller of the currency are starting to come together in some level of some aspect of confluence, where
00:45:47.410 –> 00:46:06.249
Tony Saliba: the playing field will be striped properly, even if it’s not telescope down to the degree that stocks and options are regulated. This will be a a boon to us because we we want some guidance. We want to avoid
00:46:06.260 –> 00:46:24.470
Tony Saliba: what happened with Ftx. I mean what happened with voyager and 3 arrows. you know, was was different. They were over leveraged, and as Jeffrey said, the whole terror. Luna situation. there was kind of a chink in there,
00:46:24.480 –> 00:46:29.650
Tony Saliba: formula where some of the bigger players were able to
00:46:31.020 –> 00:46:42.739
Tony Saliba: push the price of the currency down and broke the one to one relationship, and Leverage played a role in there, and 3 h was to leverage, and there was a ripple effect.
00:46:42.790 –> 00:46:45.079
Tony Saliba: But it’s the fraud we want to eliminate
00:46:45.330 –> 00:46:53.790
Tony Saliba: also. While i’m answering your question, I’ll answer one of the viewers asked, Why do we need to put our social security number in
00:46:53.940 –> 00:47:00.539
Tony Saliba: There’s 3 things the Sec. Wants to safeguard against for sure, are 3 things that they’re interested in
00:47:00.630 –> 00:47:18.990
Tony Saliba: one. They want to safeguard against a dirty money. So whether it’s Al Qaeda money or human trafficking money, or elicit arms trading money. They they want to eliminate.
00:47:19.000 –> 00:47:30.019
Tony Saliba: not that, you know. Fiat currency hasn’t been the form of getting all that over the last couple of centuries, but they want to make sure that crypto isn’t
00:47:30.030 –> 00:47:40.779
Tony Saliba: mit ctl, and adding to terrorism and human trafficking so the aml anti-money, laundering kyc know your customer aspect of opening the count
00:47:40.880 –> 00:47:58.910
Tony Saliba: means that you, as an individual, need to say, hey, i’m not using blood, money or gun money to start to move it within the currency. So that’s the first thing. Second thing. They want to protect individuals from
00:47:58.920 –> 00:48:11.370
Tony Saliba: hucksters and fraudsters in terms of communication advertising marketing, which they obviously did not regulate with
00:48:11.380 –> 00:48:27.669
Tony Saliba: Ftx, because Ftx is a Mohamed company, although they had a us arm. But most of this money, if you read if you guys are reading about this? And following this, a lot of money came from us taxpayers by way of
00:48:27.680 –> 00:48:42.800
Tony Saliba: Solinsky and Ukraine, because they put hundreds of millions from Ukraine into ftx to, you know, supposedly diversify their funds. And the Us. Government.
00:48:42.890 –> 00:48:46.850
Tony Saliba: you know, totally has blood on their hands. We’re missing that. But
00:48:47.290 –> 00:49:05.209
Tony Saliba: clean money not defrauding the individuals. And the third thing they’re interested in is being able to tax us. So, unfortunately, as Americans. They’re saying, we need to say who we are when we open these safer accounts. Now you can go to Defi.
00:49:05.510 –> 00:49:08.850
Tony Saliba: and by tokens on defi
00:49:08.870 –> 00:49:25.249
Tony Saliba: which doesn’t require. You do, Aml: Kyc: okay, you need to be a little bit more wary of that, because the prices could fluctuate. But that’s another way to get access to these tokens. but the pricing may not be the best
00:49:25.260 –> 00:49:31.250
Tony Saliba: that we’re offering here with this launch pop solution. So
00:49:31.570 –> 00:49:41.270
Tony Saliba: Yeah. Cftc Governance will help, I think Scc. Will probably hand off to Fin Center or CC. And their section and
00:49:41.290 –> 00:49:51.169
Tony Saliba: I think 2,023 will see a little bit more training wheels, or you know, brighter lines for us to operate with it.
00:49:51.300 –> 00:50:19.419
Celeste Lindman: Great? Yeah. And I see some people are having a hard time. maybe they’re they’re going to that site, and they’re They’re not able to get through that whole process. If you are having trouble. Go ahead and type your email address into the chat. We are the only ones. The panelists are the only ones that will see that we’ll make sure that your email gets into the right hands, and that you get contacted so that you can get this account open if you’re having problems with it. But there’s some other questions here. They want to know. Can they? Can you open account with an Ira Roth Ira?
00:50:22.110 –> 00:50:25.379
Tony Saliba: That’s good question. I think so. But
00:50:25.580 –> 00:50:29.290
Tony Saliba: also put your name in there. What one of the aspects of this
00:50:30.060 –> 00:50:32.119
Tony Saliba: plan and this program
00:50:32.300 –> 00:50:33.279
Tony Saliba: is that
00:50:33.390 –> 00:50:37.230
Tony Saliba: Morgan and I want to communicate
00:50:37.270 –> 00:50:39.830
Tony Saliba: as much as possible with
00:50:39.920 –> 00:50:57.849
Tony Saliba: the audiences just getting started in this. So we’ve you know we’re gonna have. We have a chat in our technology? we’ve got multiple layers of support, you know. They have some questions. You know how to get started. I don’t open an account, and these
00:50:57.910 –> 00:51:15.290
Tony Saliba: you know. I’m not a R. I. A, or an investment advisor at all. But I know that’s important to people and we we can answer that question for you, so let us know that. My guess is yes, because this is not a a security.
00:51:15.420 –> 00:51:20.690
Tony Saliba: And I think that you’re able to transact with
00:51:20.880 –> 00:51:25.030
Tony Saliba: ira money, but we’ll get that run to ground
00:51:25.070 –> 00:51:49.140
Celeste Lindman: and answer that for you guys. Excellent great who is Morgan? Morgan is my boss, will it be recorded? Yes, this is all recorded. You can get it on the website Atp traders.com everything that has been said. So yeah, keep type it in your email addresses, Like, I said, we’re the only ones that can see it. Don’t be afraid to do it. Just do it because you want to get in on this opportunity? want to know another question, Tony? Can they transfer a coin base account over to launch?
00:51:49.150 –> 00:52:05.050
Tony Saliba: Yes, yes, absolutely so this is a partnership with us, and Gemini and Gemini ranks in the Top 10 exchanges on almost any survey you looked at, and that’s not because of volume. They’re not a top 10 volume
00:52:05.120 –> 00:52:06.710
Tony Saliba: I exchange.
00:52:06.780 –> 00:52:25.680
Tony Saliba: but they they gain that rankings less because of their compliance to regulatory guidelines rules. They, the Wikileaks brothers launched this to be ready when the Sec. Allows us to trade
00:52:25.690 –> 00:52:35.919
Tony Saliba: crypto spot and and derivatives in the Us. So I think they have an ach capability
00:52:35.970 –> 00:52:42.400
Tony Saliba: to be able to move a coinbase account over when you check that out. But
00:52:42.420 –> 00:52:46.740
Tony Saliba: you guys are the first. So you know we’ve been testing this for months.
00:52:46.860 –> 00:52:54.829
Tony Saliba: not only are you guys the first to get this, but also once you get in we have a chat, and we’re interested to hear what
00:52:55.090 –> 00:52:58.299
Tony Saliba: you’re most interested to have in the solution.
00:52:58.320 –> 00:53:00.810
Tony Saliba: Unlike the broker
00:53:00.860 –> 00:53:15.979
Tony Saliba: dealer solution, which is highly regulated by not only the Sec. But by Finra. It was hard for us to do some of the little creature comforts that people wanted in this case.
00:53:16.070 –> 00:53:33.160
Tony Saliba: Very soon, probably in January you will be able to see real time. Equity quotes in your crypto trading platform, because we know you guys care about that that’s that’s where we all come from, from a equity and options background. So we’re going to be able to allow you to.
00:53:33.270 –> 00:53:45.350
Tony Saliba: If you’re dabbling in in crypto. Still keep an eye on your equity portfolio. Eventually you’ll be able to trade out of this, but that’s that’s not on the drawing board for the first quarter.
00:53:45.510 –> 00:54:04.470
Tony Saliba: Also, we have tools coming in so that you can look at your stock portfolio with a crypto. pair. Okay, we’re starting out with about 20 pairs to begin with. And that’s another thing we’re curious. What pairs are those of you who have been trading
00:54:04.480 –> 00:54:11.639
Tony Saliba: interested in, because we’ll go to our market makers and say, spin up making a market in these pairs. Okay.
00:54:11.660 –> 00:54:14.659
Tony Saliba: So we want to be very interactive with this group
00:54:16.170 –> 00:54:23.799
Tony Saliba: because we always have fun with it, and you guys are cutting edge in a lot of respect. So we have a chat in
00:54:23.890 –> 00:54:25.549
Tony Saliba: in the launch pub
00:54:25.600 –> 00:54:33.039
Tony Saliba: front end that you can communicate with both groups. The the launch pub group, and the Mercury
00:54:34.110 –> 00:54:57.190
Celeste Lindman: lot of great things come in everybody’s way, and a lot of tools. So and I I see everybody typing in a lot of people are typing in their email addresses. Thanks for doing that. You’re typing in some personal questions that you want to get answered. We see that we’re taking record of it. We’re going to get it into the right hands. So this is. This is all great. There’s and somebody said, hey, you know there’s so much information we need. We really need to have a follow up. Yeah, that is really good. We do, we? We will have a follow up on that.
00:54:57.300 –> 00:55:03.970
Tony Saliba: Sorry I I saw one question fly by here about Gemini and Genesis. So Genesis is a
00:55:04.100 –> 00:55:19.619
Tony Saliba: sovereign third party company that partnered with Gemini, so Gemini could offer their Genesis solution to gemini’s customers. So if you’re just trading on Gemini, and you don’t care about taking your tokens
00:55:19.630 –> 00:55:45.850
Tony Saliba: and lending them out, you would net you. You would not be affected by Genesis Genesis, which is a company we we don’t know much about did get stuck with leverage, and you know I I don’t think they’re going out of business, but I know they’re halting distributions while this gets sorted out. But anybody who is looking at the returns they were offering. They were a double digit percentage
00:55:45.870 –> 00:55:47.779
Tony Saliba: returns for
00:55:47.860 –> 00:55:49.359
Tony Saliba: giving your
00:55:49.830 –> 00:56:01.299
Tony Saliba: Bitcoin to them to land out to somebody who is desperate to short it. Okay. And the 2 companies are unrelated except for this affiliation that they
00:56:01.680 –> 00:56:17.870
Tony Saliba: made it available to their customers. So Gemini is not affected by it. New customers, or those customers that avoided lending their tokens are not affected. If you let if you lent them out through Genesis, then you have a separate relationship with Genesis
00:56:18.400 –> 00:56:36.110
Celeste Lindman: great question about oh, is there going to be a telegram or discord? Jeffrey is already on discord. Discourse. Fabulous! so i’m sure he’ll be getting you on there as well. And one of the thing, too. this wasn’t a question. But talking about, you know. Oh, can you transfer from Bitcoin? Well, there’s there’s Tony. You were telling me about some big bank
00:56:36.120 –> 00:56:54.709
Tony Saliba: getting 1.5 million of their assets transferred to to Coin Base, maybe the other way. What’s going on? One of our local Chicago banks is so the banks in general are a little bit reticent to get involved, because
00:56:54.720 –> 00:56:58.229
Tony Saliba: banks move slowly. Banks want more protection
00:56:58.800 –> 00:57:00.499
Tony Saliba: can’t blame banks, but
00:57:00.780 –> 00:57:04.690
Tony Saliba: intermediaries like State Street
00:57:04.780 –> 00:57:07.799
Tony Saliba: and Black Rock.
00:57:08.570 –> 00:57:12.019
Tony Saliba: but also Northern Trust Bank of New York.
00:57:12.160 –> 00:57:17.260
Tony Saliba: Our infidelity have their own custody Solutions?
00:57:17.340 –> 00:57:20.069
Tony Saliba: Why? Because their customers
00:57:20.220 –> 00:57:22.349
Tony Saliba: have been voting with their feet.
00:57:22.420 –> 00:57:33.849
Tony Saliba: and I don’t care whether it’s precious metals or precious art or baseball cards, or you know some form of alternative to dollars.
00:57:34.160 –> 00:57:53.350
Tony Saliba: People look for diversification, and this, you know, and i’m not advocating this. But I know of money managers that are saying, okay, we need to start allocating one of our assets to various cryptocurrencies. This bank that Celeste mentions
00:57:53.360 –> 00:57:56.590
Tony Saliba: that we were talking about the other day in Chicago.
00:57:56.680 –> 00:57:59.780
Tony Saliba: They came to us because they said we
00:57:59.940 –> 00:58:01.589
Tony Saliba: all their branches
00:58:01.920 –> 00:58:14.620
Tony Saliba: aggregated. They’re losing, on average, a 1 million and a half dollars every day leaving an assets so open coinbase accounts. Okay, so their customers
00:58:14.730 –> 00:58:16.600
Tony Saliba: are saying, All right.
00:58:16.620 –> 00:58:29.609
Tony Saliba: you know they’re they’re large banks. So they have, you know. But this is a half a 1 billion dollars year of assets that they want to spend STEM the tide on leaving. And actually, we believe that they’ll gather assets
00:58:29.640 –> 00:58:43.269
Tony Saliba: by offering this solution to their their customers. So you know the prices are lower than they were a year ago, and in a lot of these active tokens. A lot of old coins
00:58:43.310 –> 00:58:49.900
Tony Saliba: are buried at 0 because they didn’t have a good idea, or they didn’t have a good
00:58:50.270 –> 00:58:59.459
Tony Saliba: solution, or a company that was managed right. Or maybe they didn’t even have a product. And it was vaporware. Okay, but the
00:58:59.480 –> 00:59:02.109
Tony Saliba: the main drivers of
00:59:02.150 –> 00:59:13.549
Tony Saliba: the market cap today which are Bitcoin, atherium salon, and a few others that have actual technology. That,
00:59:13.870 –> 00:59:19.239
Tony Saliba: you know, has other uses other than just investing in their tokens
00:59:19.300 –> 00:59:22.000
Tony Saliba: will thrive. And since there’s scarcity.
00:59:22.630 –> 00:59:36.930
Tony Saliba: and a lot of people are saying, Well, you know i’m never going to sell these banks are seeing that their customers are saying. All right, I’ll put 1% or 2 of my assets in this asset class
00:59:37.430 –> 01:00:07.419
Celeste Lindman: great well, and so there’s a lot of questions still, and we’re gonna have it. We will have a follow up session. But as some of the questions you know about different accounts that you all have. That’s great that you have these different accounts. The the key. What I want you to understand is that if you want to get in on this class with Jeffrey and get in on this platform with Tony Saliba, and you know you’ve all been around long enough that you know the valued partnership with Tony Saliva. Then this is going to be. This is the time to do it. So go to that link, and if you’re having trouble with that link getting signed up and put
01:00:07.430 –> 01:00:36.809
Celeste Lindman: your email there. This chat will stay open for a little while. Get it in there, but just make sure you get involved. Class is going to be on Wednesday. You have to deposit that $100 that $100 is yours to do whatever you want to do with that. You want to get that master class with with Jeff Returnmire. I’m telling you you, do you absolutely do? It’s very, very valuable. So. we will come back. We’ll answer another lot of questions, and next time we all get together. But for now do yourself a favor. Give yourself a Christmas gift.
01:00:36.890 –> 01:00:48.159
Celeste Lindman: Put a $100 down. Put your email address in. I know some typed in, you know, like you know, if you don’t have a social security number other ways. We see you. We see your emails. We’re going to get you to the right people. We’re going to get you the information.
01:00:48.170 –> 01:01:18.159
Celeste Lindman: So thanks everyone for being with us. We’re going to go over to ask the pros premium, and if there is a chance to to put that link in there as well. You still have a chance to get in there. Ask the pros premium that’s going to start in 5 min. Yes, that’s Jeffrey Turn Meyer is going to be on there flexing his muscles, too. We’re in that, You You think you’re going to get some good stuff there and ask the pros premium, You betcha, you bet you you are the farmer Muscles. That’s right. He’s got him. So we so we love having everybody here today. And thanks, Tom. Thank you, guys
01:01:18.170 –> 01:01:33.760
Roger Scott: and and folks, if you’re if you’re if you’re new, if you’re getting started with crypto, don’t let all this this technical talk get to. You know it’s it’s a it’s a great place to start, and starting with $100 is great. This is a good way for beginners to get their feet wet, and that’s all I’ve got to say.
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Roger Scott: Jeffrey, have a great great session, Celeste Tony Great, Seeing you. I’ll talk to you guys later. Bye, Everyone guys great to see you, too. Roger Celeste.
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Tony Saliba: Yeah, I’ll see you on Monday.
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Celeste Lindman: Sounds great looking forward to it all right. Well, we will keep the screen open for a little bit. I can get your email addresses in there, and we’ll get in touch with you. and then Jeffrey and I are going to head over to ask the pros premium. So I will see you there.
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JT: Yeah. And one final remark, the class is free. If you open an account like there’s no extra charge like this is
01:02:04.820 –> 01:02:07.699
JT: one opportunity to come. Get a free class for me
01:02:08.020 –> 01:02:14.350
JT: free, like all you have to do is just open that account. So put put your email in if you’re having trouble, and we’ll see you on Monday.
01:02:14.840 –> 01:02:16.320
That’s right. Get it in there.